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Rob Beckers
25th January 2007, 09:28
It's that time of the month again, :eek: where I'm looking for ways to make Green Power Talk membership grow. The growth rate has dropped a bit lately, to around 1 new member a day, not bad at all, but we need more!

In "The Way Forums Work According To Rob", the number of members pretty much drives how well a forum functions. The way forums work in-the-wild, there will be a great majority of members who very rarely post anything, possibly 90% or more. If there is enough (new, fresh) content they like to come back to read, and to learn new things from the forum. Who knows, if it is interesting enough some of this group can even be enticed to post! Then there is a smaller section of members who post every now and then, and if a topic is something in their field of interest they are the ones likely to respond. I put this group down to around 8 to 10% of membership. Then there are the few who deliver a continues stream of posts, they are the ones that keep a forum moving. We'll not get into the 'quantity vs. quality' debate, though I'll argue one can substitute for the other to some extend ;) . Unfortunately this group represents only a few percent of membership. So it is all about the number of members.

Part two of my Theory on Forums says that there is a 'critical mass' of sorts in memberships, where a forum turns the corner of the occasional posting, to a liverly online community. A place one keeps coming back to for both learning about new topics, teaching others about your expertise, a place where personalities emerge, and personal banter ensues. In other words, a dopamine producing experience that is not only useful but actually something one looks forward too. :cool:

To sum it all up, more members means more posts, means more reactions from the largely silent minority, means a lively forum. My personal guesstimate is that around 500 members will reach that turning point.

QED! :D

Now how do we get there? Preferably before our current members loose interest...

I have posted about Green Power Talk in just about every discussion group (E-mail groups) I can think about. That doesn't mean you can't do the same every now and then, or make reference to Green Power Talk. Every bit helps!

I have also tried to get Green Power Talk mentioned in the news sections of Slashdot.org, RenewableEnergyAccess.com, and a few others. Unfortunately with a profound lack of success. My feeling is that being a member or sponsor of these organizations helps. So if anyone has some pull there (or in other large news sites) please feel free to try. Possibly if many people with no pull at all send in a similar news story to sites like this it will convince their editors to actually publish it. The larger news sites reach tens of thousands, so they are definitely a good place. It's all about numbers.

There are other news publications that would be a great place to get mention of Green Power Talk into: The various RE associations. I have tried to get onto the AWEA news letter, no luck. Those are the places that would really count though. They reach the exact audience Green Power Talk targets, and they often have many thousands of readers. So, if you can get us mentioned I will personally dedicate my next beer to you! :p

Ideally you will get to work now and get Green Power Talk a little publicity. However, if that is not in your future I will settle for a bit of discussion in this thread on how we can reach forum nivana at Green Power Talk.

-Rob-

Mark Parsons
1st February 2007, 15:50
Hi Rob,

Why not add a RE links and reference section. Members could suggest many. Every link you create notify the target web admin to have a link put in their link section for Green Power Talk. I see you have already done this at Home Power Magazine. A great site. There are lots more similar sites with RE links.

Regards,
Mark

Rob Beckers
1st February 2007, 15:55
You have a good point!
It would be good I think to make a "links" sticky thread per section. So, one for wind, one for solar etc. I have wind links up on my Solacity.com site, and right now that's where the wind links message refers to. I can move those to the forum, and add on whatever is suggested by others.

-Rob-

Joe Blake
11th February 2007, 07:05
Perhaps we could find ourselves a way into Richard Bransom's prize book and maintain a "Watching brief" or some such on any web site he's created.

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/travel/story/0,,1881996,00.html

I wouldn't mind a few "mil" to play around with.

$$$$$ - it's a rich man's world.

Joe

Here's a more relevant link by the look of it.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/cf5c6c94-b8ab-11db-be2e-0000779e2340.html

Rob Beckers
11th February 2007, 08:35
Somehow I don't think Richard is going to see GPT as "the solution to global warming"... :D

Joe, maybe you can give the man a call and invite him to join the forum? I'm sure that'll get membership rising!

On the more practical side: I'm trying to convince Home Power Magazine to write a few words about GPT in their upcoming issue. They sell 40,000 issues a month, so that would help membership in a hurry. Anyone reading this should feel free to suggest the same to HP Magazine, if they hear it often enough it may actually happen.

-Rob-

Joe Blake
12th February 2007, 17:27
A more recent/relevant link to the Virgin Earth prize.

http://www.gizmag.com.au/go/6819/

Joe

Gary Williams
29th March 2007, 15:07
Rob et al, the way I see it, you may actually have 2 problems in need of creative thinking applied towards solutions: membership & funding. If I was in your position, I might consider doing this - create a new website linked to a column tab called Blog. These guys put out a beautiful product: http://drupal.org/.
I found them today, coming from this fine website: http://www.toddalbert.com/welcome.php.
I would add a contract section on the forum members subscription with the proviso that they can post to the blog with a fee-splitting arrangement. If their blog is decent enough, you could submit it to other websites for payment. This company is paying $ 50 per blog for green content: http://www.celsias.com/blog/. Additionally, I would establish an arrangement whereby you as forum administrator could combine forum materials, not on the blog, condense, comment, edit, and repost to the blog, and to outside sites. You've already got lots of raw material.
On the blog, I would place some Google AdSense and explain to members that it was a revenue generating plan to help fund the forum.
There are millions of people daily visiting Treehugger, Hugg, etc. The audience is already there. Connect to them.
gw

Rob Beckers
2nd April 2007, 07:53
Hi Gary,

Thank you for your suggestions!
Funding is not an issue. At least not for some time to come. If this forum gets many tens of thousands of users and corresponding bandwidth than maybe it will become an in issue to pay for that bandwidth. Right now it just runs concurrently with my business Web site on the same Internet feed.

What is more of an issue is to get the word out, and get more people to come here. I've tried all the 'advertising' I can think off, as in posting on related forums and discussion lists. While I'm pleased we got this far in the short time Green Power Talk exists, we're still short at least a few hundred members for this to become truly self-sustaining and lively in terms of discussion. The whole reason I started this is because I couldn't find a decent forum to discuss RE and sustainable building, where multiple disciplines can interact. The few others that are out there (such as the Otherpower board) are so cumbersome to post/search/read, or so specialized, that personally I can't understand why those users aren't jumping at the opportunity to move over here! :D

So, please feel free to use any opportunity you find to spread the word about Green Power Talk.

-Rob-

Gary Williams
3rd April 2007, 14:09
I would ask that all forum members who have their own websites link to this forum, both search engines and readers will notice. And if forum members post and submit comments to other forums, groups, blogs, and websites such as:
http://www.otherpower.com/
http://www.selsam.com/
http://swellfuel.com/
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/
http://tyler.blogware.com/blog
http://www.fieldlines.com/
http://www.treehugger.com/
http://www.worldchanging.com/
and yahoo alt energy groups, I believe large numbers of people may investigate the greepowertalk website.

And, if any one of the group decided to do a very special website, attracting lots of attention, having this forum in a links or special friends section, new members would of course show up. Chris Olsen at swellfuel has been having a ball. He filed provisional patents, setup a website, some videos of him playing in Galveston Bay and his swimming pool with his swell energy generators, and got lots of attention, top billing at freeenergy.com & peswiki, then treehugger. He's had over a hundred thousand visitors. How about some members posting some encouraging comments to his website and linking back to this forum? I think he's got something and his approach is one of doing, not thinking about doing.

Rob Beckers
4th April 2007, 07:50
Thanks Gary. They are all good ideas!
Hopefully some of our members here will take notice.

I've already posted to every Yahoo group related to RE that I could find. A number my posting got through, in some groups the moderator did not allow it. Since I'm a firm believer in the evils of spam I don't want to repeat my postings there. Wouldn't want to be labeled a spammer myself. :eek:

Another thing I've tried (with little success so far) is to get mention on places like Slashdot and RenewableEnergyAccess. If anyone with a little more 'pull' can get us mentioned on one of the popular news sites that would be great! I've also been trying to persuade Home Power Magazine (http://www.homepower.com/) to mention the forum. No luck yet. Feel free to drop them a line and suggest it.

The list of other forums and boards you mention are all good. In the same vain, I can't personally post there to promote this board. It would be entirely self-serving and I'm sure many of the 'regulars' would frown upon it. However, that doesn't stop anyone else from mentioning this forum if they feel it is justified <hint> <hint>...

What would also help is if more people would put the forum URL in their E-mail or (other) forum signatures. That'll get others to click, and hopefully they like what they see enough to subscribe.

We'll get there. One member at a time... :)

-Rob-

Mario De Castris
4th April 2007, 09:03
Hello Rob and all,

I too am waiting to see if a couple of postings will be rejected by the moderator. As a member of other RE groups, as I read inquiries from members regarding threads going on in those groups, I post suggestions that they take a look at this group. I'm also working on a friend of mine that does not spend much time on computers. He has just finished testing a CNC machine for carving wooden blades up 4m in length. I suggested to him that he should join the group or at least allow me to post some pictures of his work.

Mario