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Joe Blake
25th April 2017, 20:37
I mentioned in another thread (Electric Bike) that I had acquired an all-electric scooter (ZEV S-1700), and for various reasons, such as generating relevant discussion, I thought I would start a new thread.

A couple of piccies to set the scene.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/General17/scooter%203_zpsfonwf76t.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/General17/scooter%201_zpszmrujfda.jpg

And a bit about the scoot itself.

http://zelectricvehicle.com/4.html

It's a 2012 model, which I purchased privately. The vehicle had about 450 km on the clock and had been fairly well maintained.

Over the past week or so I've put about 250 km up and feel I've come to grips with it.

I've been riding (petrol) motorcycles since 1968, and bicycles since 1972. I moved on to recumbent tricycles in 1992 and fitted an electric motor with batteries and solar panels to one trike in 2008, then bought a second similar machine in 2009.

With the possibility of oil shocks, increasing traffic congestion and increasing availability of domestic solar power I decided to take a gamble and buy the ZEV. I mentioned to my next door neighbor that this was one of the few times in my life I felt I was taking a gamble, so when I get time I might do a bit of signwriting and christen it "La Pari" ("The Gamble").

I've never seriously considered an electric car since they are still extremely expensive, and because they are cars, they contribute as much to road congestion as ICE cars. Plus they use a lot more electricity than I could reasonably generate from my rooftop solar system. (The trikes, carrying their own solar panels, take little or nothing from my domestic solar batteries and panels.)

After delivery I spent a bit of time going over Le Pari. There were a few cobwebs at the back and both tyres were well under pressure. The previous owner had got some work done replacing the charger (I'd read in several different fora that this was the Achilles heel of the ZEV). He'd also had fitted a "Cycle Analyst" power management meter. (The meter can be seen in the top piccy, a green screen under the left hand grip.)

For some reason the passenger seat area was slightly worn.

The first ride. The throttle has very light springing, and a careless twist results in a swift jerk as power flows to the hub motor in the real wheel (7,100 watts according to the maker.) There is a quiet hum and the scoot moves down the road. Well, this is great. Coming to a stop was a bit confusing. My right foot sought the rear brake pedal while my left had squeezed the clutch. Nope. Like a bicycle the scoot has the back brake on the left handgrip and the front brake on the right. With motorcycle quality disc brakes fore and aft stopping was not a problem, but the instinct to use engine braking didn't work. (My petrol motor cycle is a BMW 650 cc single cylinder with a very high compression ratio and shutting the throttle slows the bike quickly.)

The Pari has fairly long wheelbase and despite the "small" wheels, it is rock stable and corners quite predictably. The throttle can be opened quite hard coming out of a corner with no fear of breaking loose. One feature is a small red button next to the throttle which has three different power settings. The first (lowest) setting is sufficient to move along at 60 km/h, which is the normal speed limit on the main roads. In suburbs 50 km/h is becoming the norm these days. I live in the hills behind Perth and one of my concerns was being able to climb these hills after riding. With a reasonably full charge on the battery I was able to ascend at about 60 km/h, but it eventually slowed to about 50-55. Going DOWN the hill I found I could coast at about 80 km/h but to "engage" the motor I had to flick up to power level 3. Once on flat road the scoot was able to hold 85 km/h, without me having to duck behind the windscreen like a boy racer.

Yesterday I decided to see how far I could go, and rode around my local suburbs at normal speed. I made the mistake of going on an open stretch of country road (with several hills I'd forgotten about) and on the return leg, about 3 km from home it suddenly went remarkably quiet and rolled to a stop. There isn't much warning that the battery is about to lose its oomph, and by the time you notice it on the power meter it's probably too late. Fortunately there was only one moderately steep hill that I was able to push up then coast down and regenerate a modicum of power. However, I was forced to knock on a door and sheepishly ask if I could borrow a cup of electrons. The house had (like many in the street) solar panels on the roof and after about 10 minutes (it plugs straight into a domestic 240 volt socket) there was sufficient power for me to continue on home and plug into my own system to complete the recharge. It took roughly 2-3 hours to complete the charge (including going onto float). I had an in-line power/amp meter and I could see it was drawing 1,600 watts continuously until the last couple of minutes.

The odometer showed I had done almost exactly 40 km of reasonably hard riding.

This morning I took my measurements and found that overnight I had equalised everything ie I had imported 7 kWh from the grid and exported 7 kWh over 24 hours, and that my house batteries were at 100% SoC. So my system had managed to take it all in its stride (okay, it was a very sunny day for autumn, and while I was out during the day everything non-essential in the house was shut down so the export figure was higher than normal for this time of year).

Given that the batteries are 5 years old but very lightly used, I'm extremely pleased with the results and would have to say this is another gamble which has paid off. I only acquired it to do middle distance rides, (say 20 km each way) and yesterday's ride was definitely non-standard, so bearing in mind that caveat I have to say that as I normally spend about $15 a fortnight on petrol for the BMW (which averages 26 km per litre) I'm on the plu$ side of the ledger - barely.

So - viva La Pari.

Rob Beckers
26th April 2017, 06:30
Joe, very nice ride!
I'm impressed how far these electric motorcycles/scooters have come. My impression from your earlier post was that this is a moped (30 - 40 kmh), but it sounds like you can actually haul a$$ on it!

Watching a documentary yesterday I was musing that the bottleneck for an electric society is still storage. If only we had a cheaper and more energy-dense way to store electricity, fossil fuels would disappear virtually overnight. Unfortunately nothing on the horizon as far as I know that will get us there in a hurry. Li-ion is still too expensive, and energy density is far short of what fossil fuels store. Possibly a mega-plant such as Tesla's will lower prices of Li-ion cells, but how much room is there?

In any event, good to see things are moving in the electrical direction!

-RoB-

Ralph Day
26th April 2017, 06:51
Hi Joe
I think you could fit a Honda Eu1000 generator in your cargo holder. You could tour the continent if you had a solar helmet too:D.

Great writeup, sounds like a lot of fun.

Ralph

Joe Blake
26th April 2017, 18:38
Think this would help?:bigsmile:



http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/General17/prophelmet_zpsvge4c2hr.png

Joe Blake
26th April 2017, 18:47
Joe, very nice ride!
I'm impressed how far these electric motorcycles/scooters have come. My impression from your earlier post was that this is a moped (30 - 40 kmh), but it sounds like you can actually haul a$$ on it!



Having found its range limitation perhaps it could be called a "short a$$" machine. :cheesy:

Joe Blake
28th December 2022, 16:59
Hi everyone.

Here we are in the dying days of 2022, and I'll just bring everyone up to date. About 3 months ago I had a friend come around to replace the batteries in the scooter. It took several weeks, as the batteries had to come from the Eastern States. (This is the same bloke who had upgraded the electronics initially. He's an electrical engineer). That done, I've been whizzing about everywhere. The speed is still the same but the range is easily 50+ km including a fairly sharpish hill to climb. We're currently toying with the idea of re-using the old batteries by adding them to my "house" batteries, just waiting for a battery manager to arrive from overseas. My domestic solar/ battery system is currently running at half power, as one of two inverters is kaput. (Installed in 2009 - not complaining.) Again, waiting for a new inverter to arrive. It has to be compatible with the existing hardware (Selectronic) to comply with local regulations - otherwise I'd have to replace everything - an expense I'm unwilling to make.

Lastly, after waiting 3 years (Thank you COVID19), I'm hoping(!) my new Savic electric motorcycle (manufactured in Melbourne) will be arriving in a few weeks.

https://www.savicmotorcycles.com/the-c-series

2023 has the potential to be a very interesting year.

Hope you all had merry Christmas (snow permitting) and a great 2023.

Rob Beckers
29th December 2022, 07:14
Joe, the scooter is not fast enough? Moving on to a motorbike! :eek:
I checked out the link, they look pretty cool.

For now I'm still moving around in my 2004 Toyota. About 300,000 km on the clock now, and still going strong. I figure it's good for another 5 years, and hopefully by then electric cars will be more interesting (and affordable). There's also my 2002 Aprilia Caponord that easily gets 45 mpg (even when I don't hold back on the throttle). These may not be the greenest modes of transportation, but at least I'm not getting a new car every couple of years "to keep up with the joneses" as seems to be fashionable these days.

I'd love to see actual self-driving finally make it into cars. That plus electric (with decent range) would be my holy grail. Let's see what the future brings!

Happy Holidays!

-RoB-