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Fox maine
26th January 2017, 15:46
I patented a closed circuit hydro electric power plant designed and sized to use the same size water turbines and generators used in large dams. Newt Gingrich got me in touch with the Southern Co, and they made an offer to buy the patent, but building a plant was NEVER to be on the table. It was much the same with Southern Cal Edison though their offer was much more, building a plant was NEVER to be on the table. It's been the same from one utility to the next.
My plants water moving structure runs a set speed of 1 ft/p/second. As you may see this is very slow. The only heat required is very low, at just a bit over the ambient temperature and is easily had using a very small geo thermal system or solar array.
There are 4 generations of these power plants, the first 2 were patented, and the latter waiting to be patented as it takes so long for such things as this to reach the market. Nuclear was done by the US gov and still took over 30 years to get to the market.
The 1st generation plant costs about $1.5 B, 2nd generation about $1B as it requires no geo thermal or solar ( the heat can gotten from another source once some plants have been built), 3rd generation plants cost about $500M, and all are sized for 1000 mega watts. These all have their best place of use to capitalize on each plants abilities.
They all use factory made interchangeable parts able to be shipped by rail to any location where a plant is being built. These power plants are basically a giant "erector set" and interlocking reinforced concrete blocks ( basically building blocks). These plants have a very long life span of 150 to 200 years, Yes that's true! They have a very close and famous cousin that's 115 years old and still in operation!
They all are mostly powered by gravity needing only a tiny bit if heat compared to all the fuel consuming power plants of today, so they are totally pollution free. Nothing is burned or consumed so ZERO emissions. With no fuel to buy this electric power is most profitable ever made by man.
The newest technology is an alloy invented by the Navy in 1958, and alloy manufacturing has doubled in ability several times since then. All the rest is based on Bernoulli (1738) and Archimedes (250 ad). There is nothing that can't be easily built in the high tech world of today.
I'm just an inventor, I've no wish to work in the utility industry, I DO INSIST on seeing the power plants built however. As the gov has failed miserably and the utility industry looks like nothing more than crooks I'm here in hopes others may have the answer I seek.
I have a 400 page tech manual that spells out how to build these plants almost any where. For those that are doubting Thomas types the patent is based on a college text book written by 4 PHD professors ( mostly Bernoulli and Archimedes) and a $2B study and report done by NASA in 1972 on the alloy. This was submitted with the patent app.

Rob Beckers
27th January 2017, 06:41
Fox, welcome to the forum!

Is your plant something that can work on the smaller scale as well? Could someone build one for their own use, or as a hobby/demo unit? If so, could you put a link to the patents up, so we can have a look at it. It sound very interesting, I'd love to see it work!

-RoB-

Ralph Day
29th January 2017, 07:29
Rob, it must be hard to talk with your tongue so firmly in your cheek:D

Ralph

Fox maine
29th January 2017, 13:02
Why do the hair brained twits always have to put in that 2 cents worth that's of absolutely no value what so ever? It must be terrible to have nothing to offer in that small mind but for a most feeble try to inflict some unneeded and unnecessary hurt. What a waste of skin!

John Szegda
29th January 2017, 18:24
What is a twit. Prints please.

John

Joe Blake
30th January 2017, 00:07
"What a waste of skin! "

Fox,

You obviously don't like wasting skin. Yours seems to be very thin. :blink1:

Ralph Day
30th January 2017, 07:12
It's a forum dufus. Rob keeps it really friendly and clean, but it's still a forum.

Rob Beckers
31st January 2017, 06:24
Rob, it must be hard to talk with your tongue so firmly in your cheek:D

Ralph

Actually it wasn't intended as such. Really!
While I've seen many crazy ideas over the years, sometimes someone has a great one. This is a forum where we believe in science though, we don't take things on faith (there are other forums for that). So, show me how it works.

The idea of posting on a forum for most people is to get feedback: Hear if something can work, how to make it better, or why it can't work. I am hopeful that people don't post just to hear their own greatness echo back...

In any event. Not to worry, I have incredibly thick skin.

-RoB-

Dave Schwartz
31st January 2017, 08:50
I am hopeful that people don't post just to hear their own greatness echo back...

Quite often that's the case. Someone with just enough knowledge to be dangerous (and completely immune to realizing it) thinks they have had an idea that will revolutionize the world and anyone with similar interests should bow down in awe to receive their greatness. Usually the slightest question or non-awestruck comment shows that that audience just doesn't get it and wounds them so deeply that they go away seeking greener pastures.

I've seen this happen time after time in both real and virtual life. Seems to have happened to that guy who was going to tell us all about his developments in energy storage and transmission using compressed air.

I was looking forward to hearing how a short-loop closed-loop hydro-power system could produce a something even close to a continuous gigawatt over such a long term with only minimal energy input (except for the $.5 to $1.5 billion capital investment).

When I read the first post I saw that (almost?) all hydro plants are closed-loop cycles as long as you define the cycle to include the whole earth... extract energy from downhill flow of water... wait for sun to evaporate water now below the plant, the atmosphere to raise, transport and rain it out in the watershed back above plant... rinse and repeat. That one works well... Sir Adam Beck has been running for a century and the Great Lakes still haven't run dry (sorry, no patent available on that one).

The patent office will grant a patent for almost anything as long as its properly prepared and submitted - a working prototype is not required as long as its novel, not obvious to anyone trained in the art and not trivially derivative. They don't judge harebrainedness but do try (but sometimes fail) to weed out the perpetual-motion schemes.