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Peter Mckinlay
13th September 2011, 04:23
Should a person be able to cut and join pipe be it either plastic or metal a highly efiicient turbine can be made and put to any purpose.

To begin this process one needs two lengths of pipe one twice the diameter of the the other.

Starting with the smaller diameter pipe, it is cut length ways. This leaves you with what is known as the turbine vane. An odd number of these is needed. Next the turbine vanes are affixed to the outside of another length of the small diameter pipe. This completes what is known as the turbine runner. The smaller diameter pipe that the vanes are affixed to is the turbine shaft, so vane placement should be such that the smaller diameter pipe extends outside the turbine vanes.

The turbine runner fits inside the larger diameter pipe. Circular disks are then cut to enclose the ends of the larger diameter pipe, noting the shaft may extend out both sides or just one.

Next hole drilling in the turbine casing begins. Starting at 6 oclock possition a hole is drilled across the turbine. A pipe the same size as the drilled holes is affixed to either side of the turbine. These pipes are affixed to a tank bottom and the tank must not be taller than halve the diameter of the finished turbine. The effect of this is when the cooling/tank liquid comes into contact with the turbine vane full of hot gas the hot gas and cool liquid exhange as gas always seeks to rise to the surface of liquid. The hot gas rising through the liquid causes it to cool.

Now the turbine vane is full of cool liquid it continues to be transported upward to a hole drilled at the 11 oclock possition however it is drilled inward not across the turbine.

Upon reaching the 11 oclock hole the cool liquid is flung out through pipe affixed and jointed to the top of the cooling tank. The exit of the cool liquid creates a vacuum drawing in cool gas to to replace the exiting cool liquid.

Next a hole is drilled at the 2 oclock position and a vertical pipe affixed. This pipe is were heat is collected from outside sources and causes the cool gas to heat and expand providing the drive force for the turbine.

The hot gas no trapped in the turbine vane is transported by turbine rotation to the 6 oclock possition where the hot gas cool liquid exhange takes place completing the cycle

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Dave Turpin
13th January 2012, 16:07
You've reproduced a simple Carnot engine. The theory is sound, but a heat differential is required for it to work, the larger the better.

Look on a Mollier diagram, you will see that there is virtually no energy to be had from anything near ambient, unless your sink happens to be liquid CO2. (and then, it takes more energy to refrigerate the CO2!)

Peter Mckinlay
13th January 2012, 16:37
Hello Dave,

Thank you for your interest. Must admit the post a bit short.
The turbine we used was the 82% Pelton however any hydro turbine may be used.
The formula for work output is one litre flow per second at 9 bar pressure produces 720 watts. This doubles by volume per second, or pressure. CO2 at minus 20* Celius rising to minus 10* Celius provides more than the required 9 bar pressure, this repeats going up scale though the temperature variance lessens to obtain the 9 bar pressure.
C02 is the refrigerant R744. No energy is required for cooling as it does that itself by escape through the gas outlet valve. The whole device was released in open technology som e years back so its free to copy. We do have simpler model completely home built however it works on a pulse motion so either DaS Valves are required or a pressure pot such as found on pressure pumps. Sorry I cant get the full engineerings and graphs onto this site, lost a hard drive but happy to supply should you wish. pmdastech@gmail.com:)

Dave Turpin
13th January 2012, 17:11
As I expected, it's a perpetual motion machine. What good is an engine that requires liquid CO2 to operate? It will take more energy to produce the liquid CO2 than you will get out of the machine.

Peter Mckinlay
13th January 2012, 17:31
Hello Dave,

The device may run either liquid CO2 or liquid of any kind and gasious CO2 or any other gas. Though water can be a problem if CO2 gas is allowed to cool to much. Glycol though is good liquid medium.

Personaly dont see it as perpetual motion as at certain temperature it will stop.

Perpetual motion is more, atoms, electrons, nutrons, protons, quarks etc they just keep spinning.

Also you may note it takes very little energy to create liquid CO2 and it only has be created once for continium of operation.

The model entered if passing plus 33* Celius begins creating Dry-Ice. Hotter it gets the more Dry-Ice that is formed. Odd gas CO2 to create Dry-Ice you heat it. Only liquid that can be
+100* Celius at he bottom and -40* Dry-Ice at the top.

Cheers Peter

Dale Sheler
13th January 2012, 18:54
OK, show us a running machine, creating more useful power output than the power required to run the machine.

Peter Mckinlay
13th January 2012, 23:20
Hello Dale,

One question. One answer. Who is us you refer to. NO!

Dale Sheler
14th January 2012, 06:06
Case closed.